I don't understand the logic in vigorously complaining about destiny all the time but saying its a great game worth fighting for. I mean seriously, lol, things ppl complain about: "Destiny needs fun" Lag/servers Weapon imbalance/nerfs Matchmaking Custom games Lack of events Bring back yr1 Lack of story Repetitive If it's so bad, why not play another game? It's that simple. Don't say you don't think it's bad when you're saying things like: "it's not fun, it's too serious, fix your lag, balance your weapons, stop punishing us, respect our time(bring back yr1 weapons/gear), etc..." on a daily basis. Lol, that's just being facetious and stubborn. If you want pvp: battlefield, overwatch, doom, halo, cod, etc If you want fun: sports games, shooting games, racing games, go outside, Netflix, etc If you want custom games: halo, cod, any major pvp game If you want better weapon balance: any pvp game not destiny If you want smooth gameplay: halo, cod, battlefield, etc. If you want less lag: any major pvp game not destiny If you want a story: fallout 4, gta v, last of us, halo, Bethesda games etc. If you want large team based game modes(raids/heists): Warframe, gta v, neverwinter, eso, any mmo If you want a game that combines several of these modes: Warframe, any mmo, any game with a campaign and pvp.. Destiny isn't the only option. Think about how much money you've spent on destiny already with those half assed dlcs almost worth a full game, which could've been spent on 2-3 full, quality games. Not a complete list of games, but feel free to add games you feel worth mentioning if you want. "It used to be fun!" Guess what, it's not anymore right? That's what you're saying. It hasn't been since yr2. "Bungie was so awesome back then!" Notice how the majority of former Bungie employees left to 343. If a car gets scrapped for parts and the only thing left is the steering wheel, is it still a car? No. "But the gameplay is so smooth and art is so awesome!!!" Tetris has smoother gameplay and it's free. Any other mainstream pvp games have the same feel. Destiny doesn't have the best graphics.. It's 2016. You're in denial if you think it does. "It is fun you troll!" Really? That's why you come to the forums to complain everyday? Makes sense "But all my friends still play this chore!" You know you and your friends can transition to another game right? And you could always, you know, make new friends. It's a game, not a marriage with kids and expensive assets involved. Is your pride/ego really so high that you're willing to waste couple more years on a project destined to fail? I barely come on the forums. Feel free to follow and create a timeline of my posts and comments. [b]Starting to think it's more about not letting the "trolls" win and less about what you really want to do.[/b] Because apparently Internet pride and rep mean [i]everything[/i] now lol. But hey, if you want to stay on the back and forth fence for the rest of destiny's lifetime to get disappointed repeatedly, to complain everyday on the forums, and to pick fights with people who don't agree with you on the Internet, sounds like the "trolls" and "haters" won either way.