I could agree with you up to shoulder charge. The first point you brought up was that you sacrifice juggernaut to use it. You are not sacrificing a perk to choose another. You are deciding which is better for your play style. It is not a flaw that SC and juggernaut are in the same column. If you are implying running shoulder charge is a sacrifice you are sadly mistaken. I don't think you get it. Best speed in game with a one hit melee, anywhere on the body. That is by definition OP. On top of that you have a normal melee charge as well. Do not say it is hard to get kills with shoulder charge. If you use it correctly, for example how prodigy uses it, it is WAY too good. If you get gunned down in shoulder charge that is your fault for not avoiding it. Just because you can die mid shoulder charge doesn't make it balanced.

Several things- Perhaps I misspoke, on the point about sacrificing perks. But I stand by shoulder charge being balanced. The first thing you say is that it is by definition OP. I am not sure you get it. If it was overpowered, then people would not have ways to counter it. Shoulder charge can be countered by every single class, and this does not make it overpowered. The second thing you say is that it is not hard to get kills with it, and then bring up other players. Prodigy has a very specific play style, and if you watch him enough, you will see that of all the times he gets a kill with shoulder charge, there are plenty of times where he gets burst down because you leave yourself exposed while sprinting forward in a straight line. Just because one streamer uses it a ton does not make it overpowered.

After I ranted about shoulder charge I decided to use it in the crucible. So I leveled up my striker and set out with it. Most games no matter the game mode I averaged about 4 shoulder charge kills. If I wasn't playing on shoulder charge I wouldn't have had nearly as many melee kills. Yes shoulder charge is a different play style but it is just too strong. I would very rarely get countered out of my shoulder charge because, if you play smart it is extremely hard to counter. I also noticed that shoulder charge has ridiculous Aim Assist. As long as a striker is in the general area of an opponent he will get a shoulder charge kill on them. The other problem I see with it is its range. It currently kill from farther than a shotgun can. Now yes it is easily counter able with a universal remote or maybe a warlock melee. But hunters and other titans who don't want to have to change their load out to fight one thing simply have to just die from shoulder charges. I noticed your main point was that if it was OP you wouldn't be able to counter it. But when thorn was at the top of the meta red death could counter it, so your point doesn't make sense in that regard. What makes something OP is when it is so much better than everything else that people have to change their load outs to counter it. Now I don't know about you, but I don't want to have to be forced to use a universal remote or a conspiracy theory every rime a striker is in a game with me.

You mention that if you play it is extremely hard to counter, and while I think that people playing smart should be more difficult to kill than those without good tactics, I don't think that it is really that hard to counter. I find it hard to believe that out of the little time you use it, which you mentioned, you never or almost never got killed while sprinting to try and activate it. After having used it extensively, it is not that easy to counter, but by no means impossible or extremely difficult to avoid. You then mention that shoulder charge has high aim assist, which it kind of has to have for it to be usable- Imagine that you shoulder charged at someone and all they needed to do was primary jump over you and then easily shoot you in the back. You then say that you have to use a shotgun to counter it, and again, this is not as true as you might think. I almost never use shotgun and very rarely use universal remote except when I am feeling like it for whatever reason. I can still very easily counter striker titans rushing at me because they (at least 3/5 times) run in a straight line without firing at me, which gives me no problem taking them down. On my titan, I run the same load out every game and I rarely have to change it due to class abilities. Again, this varies from person to person, so you may have different experiences. Also, you cannot say that Red Death was a good counter to Thorn, because you had to rely on your opponent missing shots to win such a fight. Let me try and give an example: If two highly skilled players with good aim and spatial awareness go head to head, and one is using Thorn while the other is using Red Death, the one with Thorn is going to win much, much more frequently then the Red Death user. But if one was using shoulder charge, you would see that the shoulder charge user wouldn't always get the kill, but neither would the one who is trying to counter it. I am unsure if that makes sense, and I know there are a whole lot of other factors to throw in. Furthermore, you mention that when something is OP, people have to change their load out to counter it, and as I mentioned above, that is not always true. But, again this varies from person to person, and while some might have to change their load out to counter something, others might not. Finally, I would like to know what load out you use in most of your games, without considering the changes that you might make supposedly because of shoulder charge.

On my hunter I run last word longbow for sweats and usually a sniper hand cannon or hand cannon shotgun for normal play. On my Titan I usually run mida conspiracy theory, I will either run twilight or arms depending on map and opponents. Again what I meant by changing load outs is that yes a shoulder charge running straight at you is easy to counter but one who plays correctly is very hard to counter even with a last word. Most of the time when I do get shoulder charged on my hunter it is around a corner on a map like fire base. This ties into its tracking like abilities. I will often shoulder charge someone and they will jump while I am shoulder charging and I will still get them. I even curve around corners with my shoulder charge. It is basically like a shotgun when used this way. After playing shoulder charge on my Titan I have learned that it only takes skill to dodge an opponents fire, once you get to the opponent there is no skill required. The reason I think shoulder charge should be nerfed is that it is giving a free one hit melee with health recovery ( depending on your build) all you have to do is run for 2 seconds and get to an opponent. The other reason I think shoulder charge is a little too strong is context. On maps like shores of time, yeah it is easy to stop and the Titan can not do much to stop from being killed with it, but on maps like fire base and even twilight gap, shoulder charge is insane. Do I think it is the most OP thing in destiny? NO do I think it is balanced? NO