I'll have to give that a try. I'm not the greatest at PVP, I try & improve each time. I was on my gunslinger today, had no problem with knife kills..... but I am still a bit upset about tripmines. After today, I'm starting to think I need to adapt & try invis more ;) At one point I tried bladedancer, but to me that's still nerf too much. I still feel Bungie nerfed the hunter TOO much. Thanks for the tip. I can always can use some pointers. :)