I've seen both and I've seen the ridiculous requirements on the 3rd party sites. I don't really enjoy 3v3 crucible and the only reason to play KF is to grind for a light level that is meaningless. At least Y1 raids gave rewards that were useful. I don't need some punk kid berating me because I missed a jump or something stupid like that.
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Yeah some of the people are ridiculous, that's why I host my own fireteams so that doesn't happen :)