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Edited by Inclement Karma:
2/22/2016 9:49:23 PM
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Experience and skill are (sometimes) related, but not the same thing. A big part of persuasion is knowing the meanings of the words you use.
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I know the difference ^^ Thats why I said experience leads to skill.
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But it doesn't, necessarily. They are different things entirely. Let's try a thought experiment: Imagine a world where Grimoire is only awarded for Crucible kills, one per kill, and max Grimoire is 200. Dude A gets max in 5 matches, but then goes on to other activities because he's bored. Dude B gets max in 50 matches. Dude B actually has more experience. But not, I would argue, skill. Experience and skill are different. Skill is mechanics. Experience is knowing how to use those mechanics. But the variables are independent.
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But Grimoire is not that. Grimoire is wins and completions with enemy and weapon kills. Also I never said all players with high levels are experienced are skilled. I said there are prodigies (people who are just good) that would be dude A in your example. Dude B did play more gained way more knowledge of the maps and spawns points and would still get skill. If Dude B keeps playing he will get skillful as with anything practice makes perfect. Dude A is simple good, he came in good and will be good. [quote] I am not saying all low Grimoire score players are bad, I am not saying all high Grimoire score players are good. But majority of the high Grimoire score players are good, and majority of the low Grimoire score players are not good. Think about it, there are a lot of people with low Grimoire scores, some this might be there first FPS, some might be extreme casuals, some just don't care. But people with high Grimoire score play the game a lot, they care about the game and spend a lot of time on it.[/quote]
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You're still missing the point that experience and skill are not the same thing, nor does the one necessarily lead to the other.
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Can you give me an example of when it doesn't tho? Like Multiple examples. Most of my life people who have done something for years and are very experience are very skillful at it.
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I don't know where you hang out, but I see people every day who do the absolute minimum to get by day after day, year after year. You ever been to the DMV? You get the impression the civil servants there are really, really good at what they do and so you have a great experience knowing everything is being done to the highest standards? You ever see that supermarket checker who'd rather chat with co-workers than scan your groceries efficiently, or the bagged who puts the eggs and fruit on the bottom under the canned goods? It's not that they're no0bz; they just suck despite their experience. That's why skill and experience are separate things.
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How long do you think those people worked there? I doubt they been working their a long time. Right now I am working at Target in the mornings and go to my classes in the evenings. The people that are unproductive at work get coached and have to improve, if they don't then they are fried, seen it lots of times especially with seasonal workers. What I do at target is work in the Presentation department, I put out new merchandise, seasonal merchandise, and new signing. After being here a year and doing that I much better the next year I already know somewhat of what's coming out and I plan and set it even faster then the year before. You know why I set it faster? Because of experience the year before. I do my job well and that's why I am skillful at it. I go to school for computer science, the first year of learning C++ was hard but I got more experience and got really good at it. Now I am taking Java classes, yes they are different computer language but I have experience from C++ that makes learning Java easier.
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When you've seen a little more of the world, you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Also when I got my drivers license I went to the MVA ( what we call the DMV in Maryland ). There were a lot of slow people working their, the girl line that I was in had her McDonald's and she was talking to her friend while her line was building up. Made me piss and she didn't even know how to do her job. I didn't want to deal with her and then she gave me a ticket to talk with her supervisor. Her supervisor was a easy person to talk to and really nice. Yes there are some people that are terrible at their jobs and idk how they got it. But the DMV is different because it has no competition. But I think I've seen even in my lifetime to tell that experience people tend to be very skilled. And that there are prodigies out in the world that are just good. No matter how much experience someone has they can't be as skilled as that prodigy. But hey most of the time practice makes perfect.
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Practice makes permanent. Only perfect practice makes perfect.
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Is that what you are going to tell your kids when they don't do so well on their math test. Let's say they just started learning multiplication and they haven't grasped the idea of it yet. You will just tell them to stop trying? If they don't get it they won't ever get it? A lot of situations in life, practice makes perfect. There will be those people that are already good at it, but if someone try's hard enough they can be just as good as that prodigy or a little below them or even better.
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You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing practice does is ingrain habits. If you don't practice correctly, you will just learn bad habits. This is exactly why I said you need to learn more before you start pontificating.
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[quote]If you don't practice correctly, you will just learn bad habits. [/quote] How can someone practice bad at this game tho? Its a pattern in PvE, kill the same enemies, play the same raid with maybe a new strategy here or there, do the same jumping puzzle with the same pattern. People ingrain habits for doing the same exact thing over and over. So please explain how I have no idea of what I am talking about?
