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Edited by Jaymz: 2/22/2016 10:20:36 AM
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Does Grimoire = Skill (95%+ of the time)?

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Please explain your answer [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3ivw3k/does_grimoire_really_correlate_with_skill_with/]Note : Also check out this reddit post, its another experiment done with Grimoire[/url] [b]NOTE : GHOST GIVE 760 NOTE : CALCIFIED FRAGMENTS GIVE 310[/b] If a person has more experience they tend to have more skill. [b] I am not saying all low Grimoire score players are bad, I am not saying all high Grimoire score players are good. But majority of the high Grimoire score players are good, and majority of the low Grimoire score players are not good. Think about it, there are a lot of people with low Grimoire scores, some this might be there first FPS, some might be extreme casuals, some just don't care. But people with high Grimoire score play the game a lot, they care about the game and spend a lot of time on it.[/b] Let me give you an example. I have been doing this for the past weeks and it has worked out for me. When I am looking for a raid group I would go to LFG and post something similar to this.- [quote]Need people for a fast raid run. Only requirement I have is must have a 4600+ Grimoire score[/quote] And I posted this morning - [quote]Looking for 5 players to do 2 fast runs. Only requirement is to have a 4600+ Grimoire and have enough time to run it more than once. 1 run should take 50mins.[/quote] The people who met the requirements had no problem messaging there Grimoire score, but others got so mad, they called me a "grimoire scub", "fu.cking retarded", and more stuff. Some people can't read at all and posted their light level. I didn't care about light level at all. It happened every week I've done this. It was really ridiculous. Do you want to know the time for all 3 of my runs? 54m 27s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4662858649 (Warlock) 1h 4m 53s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4663058534 (Titan) 51m 39s - http://destinytracker.com/dg/4663230540 (Hunter) All of these runs went smoothly, becasue of that one requirement. If I would've had a light level requirement there is no telling what will happen, majority of the time it just goes bad. It is so easy to get carried to 315 and it is so easy just to get there without trying. Grimoire score shows more skill then a light level. So please don't message me on LFG if you don't meet my requirements and don't say "add me" if you don't meet them either. It's my fireteam, if you don't meet the requirements then you can't join so don't rage at me. Do you rage at someone asking for 315+ light level when you are 313? Do you rage at someone asking for Black Spindle, when you don't have the gun yet? Now let tell you what actually goes into a Grimoire score, and its not just dead ghost - Your grimoire score will increase if you : Get Crucible kills on Warlock, Hunter and Titan Get PvE kills on Warlock, Hunter, and Titan Played during the House of Wolfs days, when fallen attacked on patrol Killed certain bosses in PvE Killing an amount of certain enemies in PvE Get weapon kills with all types of weapons, not just a shotgun and hand cannon ;p Playing multiply PvP modes and winning at them, not just control and iron banner. Playing maps in Crucible for the first time. Playing events in the game, Finding ghost/frags exploring the game. All these will increase your Grimoire score, becasue it gives you a feel for the game, you are playing the game while doing this. Yes this might be like other FPS games but it still plays a bit different. Yes some people have an awesome FPS background and are already amazing in PvP. Someone who has been playing longer would know more. There are some prodigies in the world but not a lot, it takes time to get good. Remember in Elementary school when your teachers would always say practice makes perfect, it actually works a lot of the time but not all the time. [b]PvP Skill section of the tread -[/b] When I look for a trails group on LFG I always say have a 1.3 KD or higher because my KD is 1.3. I do not base PvP skills off grimoire, because lots of people have a FPS background and are good.

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  • It equals experience.

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  • Grimoire (could) be linked to skill. But in my case at 4375, I can honestly say I'm not the most skilled at PvP and have only Raided a few times (more Y1 than Y2) when compared to hard core Raiders. And I'm a day-1 player. I just like to try as many new things as possible, hence I've done most activities and hence a higher grimoire. Many of those activities were to try it once and see if I want to more, but got the grimoire. I still have yet to do KF HM, Challenge Mode and several types/areas of Crucible. Never done Iron Banner nor Trials Of Osiris. FWIW - when I post myself on LFG, I openly advise my actual skill level so as not to tick off the team that invites me expecting a more experienced player.

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  • 3900 grimoire I play when I can and I don't need coaching through the raids but your criteria is your criteria at the end of the day but it's just a game treat it like one. No ghally no invite people started that and we lost ghally just remember that lol

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  • Depends PvP no pve at higher level activities a little no should you get booted because your grimour is low no.

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  • Grimoire doesn't determine skill. It only shows what the person has done. I have a high grimoire score, but I'm real good in PvE and only decent in PvP. I've seen tons of people with high grimoire score claiming they are the best at the game when in reality, they are terrible. It happens about 75% of the time give or take.

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  • yes, but not in pvp

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  • Grimoire = time played and experience.... the higher it is the chances are you probably have someone who is knowledgeable and at not a super scrub... it doesn't necessarily mean your god like.

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  • Edited by ExcessLensFlare: 2/16/2016 10:59:16 PM
    I've been playing for over 1000 hours now and am only at 4400. How does that translate into skill in any way? 50% of that comes from using a guide to find Dead Ghosts, and 40% from farming enemy/weapon kills. No skill goes into 90% of the grimoire, even the 'enemy kills in crucible' counts your assists and team mate's kills, I'm sure we've all seen 'X kills as a Titan' pop up when you're a Hunter? Stop being so up yourself... EDIT: Of the grimoire I'm missing, 140 of it is from Crucible, so I still wouldn't meet your requirements by actually doing the hard part. I can however get another 345 from farming sidearm, and Hydra kills and finding the last of the ghosts and I'll meet your requirements. Convinced that it doesn't matter?

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  • It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning is winning.

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  • Grimscore does not equal skill at all. It just means you have played the game. A majority of points are from just collecting weapons, doing activities, or killing so many enemies.

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    • Eh, I'd probably put it closer to 70% of the time. There's certainly a positive correlation, but not that close to 100%.

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    • I think it's a measure of experience which can relate to skill level. As you say, the more experience one has at something, generally the more skillful they will be at it. There are exceptions but there is no other way to differentiate good players from bad, that's about all you can go by. Of course you could research every player that may want to join your fireteam but that's not very practical. You can ask for whatever you want in a fireteam member. If some don't like it, too bad. So the bottom line is if you want to use it that way, I have no problem with it. Many would have a problem with it but it's their problem not yours.

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      • Question is absurd and retard. To have Grimoire (yes, capital G) means to exist. Poof, be gone!

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      • Experience it is

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      • Grimiore = experience and time played, which does factor into your skill.... to a degree. However, each player is different and there are different skill sets so I don't know.

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        • Hey Flood! How many Quote Pyramids can you fit in one post? I wanna hear from you guys! Show me how much Pyramids can you make??

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          • At least 67% of those polled have below 4600 grimoire.

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          • Edited by OneNonlySnorlax: 2/16/2016 10:44:42 PM
            50/50 really. A player with high grimoire is more experienced at the game. Doesn't necessarily mean he's good. Could play the game 24hrs a day and still be bad at it. Eventually you will get better though. A lower grimoire player could have great FPS skills and just naturally be good. In this game though gear does matter. So pvp wise it's basically your call on wether you think someone is good or not. For PVE it's higher grimoire due to the gear.

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          • Actually do you know what the max grimore is without finding all the ghosts? Its not even close to 4600

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            • Grimoire = 95% of the time a right indication of [b]time played[/b] Time played = 70% of the time a right indication of [b]experience[/b] Experience = 80% of the time a right indication of PvE skills, 50% of the time a right indication of PvP skill ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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              • Grimiore =addiction rating

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              • Sometimes people get carried.

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              • I'm a year one player with bucket loads of experience in pretty much all game modes yet year two players who are bothered to collect stuff I'm not bothered about have higher grimoir than me. I have around 100 raid completions in total and people call me a noob because they judge me on grimoir.

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              • Its sorta does up to maybe 3000 after that it just show you put the extra effort into hunting the ghosts down.

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                • Edited by bilbo t baginzz: 2/16/2016 10:38:50 PM
                  [quote]If a person has more experience they tend to have more skill. [/quote] This is almost 100% incorrect. What is grimoire? its a list of tasks which you get rewarded for doing which has nothing what so ever to do with skill. [quote]Your grimoire score will increase if you : Get Crucible kills on Warlock, Hunter and Titan Get PvE kills on Warlock, Hunter, and Titan Played during the House of Wolfs days, when fallen attacked on patrol Killed certain bosses in PvE Killing an amount of certain enemies in PvE Get weapon kills with all types of weapons, not just a shotgun and hand cannon ;p Playing multiply PvP modes and winning at them, not just control and iron banner. Playing maps in Crucible for the first time. Playing events in the game, Finding ghost/frags exploring the game.[/quote] All of this has to do with playing the game not being good at it.

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                  • Edited by BxL3G1T: 2/16/2016 10:39:49 PM
                    There is no such thing as "skill" in PvE. You either know what to do, or you don't. Grimoire has minimal, if any, correlation to this.

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