Lol ok now we're getting somewhere, you just admitted to it having an open world and rpg elements, the fact that you don't actually fly your ship from planet to planet is a obvious as that would be a huge game and most likely pointless gameplay unless they wanted to add a mini game of sorts with it but I'm sure you all would just complain. But back to your logic, how can it have those elements but not be considered an mmo? Bungie makes patches that effect the world as a whole. I mean it's just reaching. There has never been a mmo fps and I can see how you could be baffled by how it works but if you think about it it's the only way a fps mmo could work if you want real time fighting.

Planet side is clearly an MMO fps. Flying ships are just loading screens. I said that it has MMO like elements (like the fact that it looks like an open world but it very much is not). Bungie could've easily made this an MMO if they wanted to. If they created a giant patrol in which a MASSIVE amount of players loaded into and then got sub divided as you moved into specific instances mission... However this isn't the case. The design is that when you are in orbit and select a zone to load you either go into someone else's hosted game with a max of 8 in patrol or 16 in tower or if none are found you then create your own hosted zone. There isn't a persistent world always waiting that everyone loads into, just thousands of small hosted games, which like I've been saying this is no different than any multiplayer online game ever made. Another easy change that would make this into a MMO is if when you selected patrol it asked what server would you like to load. The reason why I said MMO like is that it really is ALMOST an MMO but bungie very clearly made it not an MMO when they could have.

I see where you come from but like I said about guildwars it was almost handles the same way, only difference is in guild wars you could walk everywhere without a "fast port" mechanic. Even Elder Scrolls Online has areas that you have to port too. And I would like to pick which server but damn.... There would be thousands but I would love to get a fireteam of six in the dreadnought and not have to invite randoms to party for the court of oryx

But that was due to their design of only being able to have 8 people hosted on a peer network. If bungie wanted to they could've payed for dedicated servers that could hosts 100's at a time in open worlds reducing the number or servers (also would've had to generate a little more area per patrol but that's very easy to do in game). They specifically designed (or cheaped out) and made the game into an MO instead of an MMO.

I could be wrong but I just think something that big is too hard for consoles and would probably create horrible lag..... Lol why can't anyone fix their NAT type......?

Eso and planet side are that big. There are ways to design around that, but a dedicated server is required. You couldn't host in on a p2p network which is what destiny uses. What it comes down to is there is no persistent world that you can load into a meet up with players outside of your fireteam, whether it is instance based or one giant world. Even if I could run/fly from the earth to every other plant if I can't load into a specific zone and meet with people it's not an open world it's just a spliced together closed (meaning hosted) instance zone.

Yeah but also there is so little content that in a dedicated server where bosses would respawn after 4 minutes farming would destroy the game.

Bosses can still be instances. The only thing a dedicated server would do is put everyone on bungies network with a larger number of people on the same server allowing for persistent worlds. The persistent world is just the starting point, most MMOs then break of that persistent world into smaller instances. Currently bungie just skips the persistent world removing the need for deviated severs and breaks everyone into small instances. This is why I said it may [b]SEEM[/b] like a MMO but it isn't. They could've designed it to be an MMO easily, but that doesn't take into account all the rebalancing they need to do in order to make the open world playable. I'm not saying destiny should or shouldn't be an MMO, I'm just saying its close to being one, but it isn't one. I think it could've been an awesome open world MMO, but I agree they defiantly would've had a much harder time making this work (I think they took the easy way out).