I agree 100% with Malphisto. And furthermore, if TTK involves no longer allowing ascension of Year One gear I am done with this game. I have put over 3000 hours in on 2 profiles but I will remove the game from my Xbox HDD if you do that. Period. I took 3 characters to rank 5 in Iron Banner last week. I WANT to love this game, but since hearing that every second I played it last week and every second I play it between now and 9/15 , and every other of the 10 million plus OTHER seconds I've played so far for that matter has been and will be a complete waste of time I haven't even loaded it. I'm betting your server traffic is an indication that I'm not alone in this decision... For the first time in nearly a year I'm playing OTHER games and all my friends that played Iron Banner with me last week are too. Here's a tip you greedy jerks. It's NOT all about the new players. Yeah, I know you stand to make more money off new blood, but if you don't keep some of us around there will BE no base to make your game great and lasting. To make it anything more than a traded disappointment. A flash-in-the-pan monument to poor corporate decision making. Did it ever occur to you that all you have to do if you want us to stop using the Thorns and the Gjallerhorns we worked so hard to get is put something BETTER or MORE INTERESTING into the arsenal? You don't have to jerk them away from us and spit on us with your new more powerful Green crap. All this wishy washy flip-flopping with nerfs and buffs, really just makes you look like you are incapable of getting it right. What kind of sense does it make to bother nerfing ANYTHING if you're just going to wipe it all anyway? I'm OK with nerfing the Thorn's DoT. To be honest getting killed by that has been annoying and the only reason I play with it instead of my Fatebringer is because if you can't beat 'em you might as well join 'em. It IS way overpowered. But the Gjallerhorn? Here's a concept, make Wolfpack rounds an available perk on OTHER rocket launchers. And while we're on the subject, why is the frickin' Thorn the ONLY GUN IN THE GAME WITH DoT???? THINK, man! THINK! I don't play with the guns I do because they have high damage ratings. I play with them because they fit my playing style. They're fun to work with. I ground your Raids SO many times. I have three maxed copies of almost all the Raid weapons. I have three Gjallerhorns (5 if you counted the 2 I've broken down along the way). I ground and ground and it was all for nothing because the nanny state developers at Bungie have decided that a few whiny little kids in Mommy's garages need some freshness because they don't want to put the time in to get the good stuff. You want fresh, get off the couch and go take a shower. Me, I'm OK with some freshness in ADDITION to all the cool stuff I've learned to play with and love. But I want all the work I've done to build a collection of weapons that are fun to shoot crybaby newbs with not to amount to a lot of wasted time. I can promise you this. If that IS what happens, I won't waste a minute more of my life on THIS game. I certainly won't buy your 3rd DLC. I'll bid you adieu and move on. I'll just have to fall in love with Halo or Elder Scrolls again. A lot of the trolls proclaiming their happiness about this slap in the face to the base are people who weren't here from the beginning. When the VoG was the only Raid it was pretty lame but we kept at it because we were all hoping the DLC would increase the amount of fun stuff to do. But then when you released TDB and there was no ascension, the game got pretty lame because nobody wanted to play VoG anymore. What was the point? So we were back to where we started. Playing a game with one Raid. Then HoW came out and BOOM!!! It was fun again. You could get parties together to run BOTH the old Raids AND PoE and Trials. VoG is fun. TDB is fun. PoE is sorta fun. If you do this, it will literally be impossible to get anybody to put in the effort, so we're back to playing a game with one Raid and worse because most of the people I have been playing with all this time, who stuck it out all this time have said basically what I'm saying. If they do this, we're done. Moving on to something else. 'I hope Halo 5 is good.' Heard that a few times this week. 'Honestly, I'm getting pretty tired of playing a game with no trading system anyway.' Right? 'Come play Elder Scrolls Online. You can TRADE!' Hard to argue with that. I have several guns in my vault that my friends want, just hoping for the day you let us share our stuff. But you're definitely going the other direction it looks like. Out with old. In with the new. Boo. What these trolls don't realize is that what you're talking about doing isn't just taking the guns and armor we love away and forcing us to eat your new crap. You're taking away most of the content of Year One TOO. Good luck getting your friends to help you grind to GET your Fatebringer or your Fang, new kid. Ain't happenin'. Grinding for a Fatebringer was a big PART of Year One. Now my kids will never have the pleasure. The biggest complaint I've heard about this game, from the beginning, AD NAUSEUM is that you have to do the same crap over and over again. That there isn't enough to do. That was true up until HoW. Then it kinda wasn't after HoW. Now it looks like it's gonna be again. The way to FIX that isn't to take away all the old. It's to ADD TO IT. I'm tired of lesser minds deciding my fate (so wanted to say Destiny) and even lesser minds defending it because they're too lazy to grind for the good stuff. And honestly, if this is the reward we get for grinding so hard for all that time, just to have our prizes jerked away like this, can you possibly be stupid enough to think we'll stick around and do it all over again and more, PAY you for the pleasure? If our efforts are wasted, do we keep wasting them? Really? This will end your credibility with a lot of the community. Honestly, just the THREAT of this ends a lot of your credibility with me. OK, so NOW you say we can ascend our favorites, but how about the NEXT dlc? You need to retract this crap NOW. 'Oops, sorry, we're dumb'. And FURTHER, you need to PROMISE this subject doesn't come up again. I'm with Malphisto, this should not even be a DISCUSSION ITEM. Ridiculous breach of trust. Why are we still even talking about this? Trolls keep comparing this game to WoW. Moronic. In WoW you literally have a BAZILLION things to choose from and a BAZILLION unique things to do each with new and interesting rewards. You don't like your gear? CHANGE IT! You don't spend enough time with any of it to CARE that much about it. AND YOU CAN TRADE! Destiny is NOT like WoW at ALL. There's not NEARLY enough content in this game for you to ditch the old. PLUS, that's exactly why a LOT of WoW players quit playing WoW and a lot of other games like it. 'Well, they took my fun away and now they're making me grind for this new crap that sucks. Deuces.' Maybe the new stuff won't suck, but at this point, in light of the HoW gear, my hope meter is at an all time low, and even if it DOESN'T suck, what if I'd really RATHER play with the guns I've mastered. They're extensions of me now. Don't chop my hands off and tell me it will be OK because you'll sew some new ones on that I'll get used to in time and then expect me to stick around for the next chop. Maybe that's cool with you, if we don't stick around. But if so, you're not looking at the big picture. Most of the dissenters to this position say, "I'm OK with it because I'm kinda getting bored with the old gear ANYWAY." So give THEM some new stuff to play with. If it's good maybe WE'LL start playing with it too. I fail to see how letting US keep our Raid weapons in any way prevents THEM from enjoying all the new stuff you have in store for them. You don't like the old, play with the new. You don't like the new, too bad, you already had to delete all your old stuff to make room in your tiny little vault for all this new stuff you don't even like. Cheers. I wouldn't wait too long to make up your mind and announce that you've made a horrible miscalculation either. That 'you listened to us' and decided not to be scumbags. The longer I play something else, the less likely I am to care WHAT you decide. I can't remember ever going back and playing an old game after I've moved on to something else, but then again, I've never put so many hours into a game before either. Who can know? Speculate on that. You say you listen. I'm hoping you do. I haven't bought your TTK dlc, though I was about to before your little revelations this week. I won't buy it unless you change this. I know that nearly everyone I play with will either be abstaining or seeking a refund for it and are already moving on in their minds to other things. I hope you make the right choice. It's getting really hard to defend my love for this game.