Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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Notice how we are about 700 years into the future...for LMG's they must have found a way to let the bullets go down into the chamber. And for Handcannons..have you ever seen the Chiappa Rhino??
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You put a round cartridge into your gun instead of having to load all six bullets, and you're complaining about the design? Smh
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Would you to give us a logical explanation to supers as well? LOL
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But, but.. I titan jumped over Niagra Falls last Wednesday. No loot was given. All I got was a lousy real life achievement trophy. [spoiler]Properly named: "Ya Done Goofed."[/spoiler]
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Handcannons generally struck me as odd. However we have magical ammo boxes that turn into requisite munitions. I believe our bullets are energy made into matter then shot. Other than that so long as enemies die, im happy
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Damn you! Was just about to post "Op doesn't understand how space magic works" when I saw your inb4 at the bottom. Not only did you create a totally boring, pedantic, overly long post, but you had to go and spoil any possibility of having any fun with it. You suck.
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You do realize a gun like hand cannons exists right? It's based off a real gun.
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Good thing the strangers rifle is made from parts yet unknown and way beyond our time. Or else he'd criticize a futuristic weapon that can work with out the theory of gravity, and lack there of, of any other force known on earth. Oh.. that's what he's doing..
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hold on look at how you LOAD the hand cannon it is a single charged round so these are not regular hand cannons that load individual rounds that require standard Hammer and pin to hit the cap on a single round. Your thinking current world technology which is the distant past in Destiny. I took hand cannons as tech meets wild west. So the principle of a hand cannon is there but the technology in the weapon is all electronic so the ignition and firing mechanism is contained within the large drum you insert into the revolver. The Hammer action is purely for aesthetics nothing more. What doesnt make sense is the ballistics for weapons that fire an actual round dont suffer from drag or cross winds or even gravity. Also the fact that gravity per planet and moon doesnt vary so a jump on Mars is the same as a Jump on the moon.
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They went more for an unrealistic but stylish look, rather than a realistic look. If this was ARMA, I think you'd have a point. But I don't think Bungie is taking Destiny too seriously in terms of functionality in the weapon department.
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Thank you!!!! I gotta into a spat weeks back with some moron who though a handgun can hit a penny at 75 yrds. It irks me each time I reload the (auto) pistol too and the upper received is pulled back (thus ejecting a preloadd round onto the ground). I can't believe that - in America no less - no one took these guys to a range.
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I love how we are trying to rationalize a sci fi game.
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Those weapons built [i]after[/i] their "golden age". They can make their weapons look however they want because it's the future. If we can travel to other planets in seconds I'm pretty sure we won't be using 2015 and below weapons.
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Just to make you head explode even more look at the size of the bullets that come out of Thorn and try and rationalize it!
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This is what bothers you??! We're soldiers blessed with magic powers killing things for no reason whilst hiding under a giant beach ball in the sky but the weapons don't make sense???
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If that upsets you then ponder this: how come we don't have thermal or night vision in our helmets. We must rely on our little light for those dark tunnels and caves.
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I like guns and stuff a lot, so I caught a few of these too, like hand cannons and scout rifles. For hand cannons, I thought maybe since the cylinder comes out in a big chunk when you reload it, perhaps it's some fancy-dancey future tech where the hammer only has to hit the cylinder somewhere and it fires bullet mass from the barrel. Scout rifles, I'm still not sure how the magazine in that position works (unless the bullets are facing up and feed through the handgrip, but then it's need to do a goofy turn around the corner to be fired) but oh well haha I still enjoy the game so I'm willing to overlook em.
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LMFAO! Tysm me and a friend were arguing about this and it's certainly settled! Comment for later pls
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Space magic makes it work (destiny logic)
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You do realise it's a game right?
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Oh god atleast someone in this world has a brain
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Damn, finally someone points this out. It bothered me so much.
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Yea the other part that doesn't make sense is that one gun fires [i]-blam!-ing lasers[/i]
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Yep you are absolutly right, but well they decided to desing them that way maybe just to make them more unique despite the fact that most of them would be unable to work. Strong critism well defended arguments thats good work man. But just don't think of it too much imo its not like bungie will change anything ^^
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Because space magic
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Future, my friend 🙊