Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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is this furreal? troll alert
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It's a video game...I don't care...because the weapons kill shite that's all I care about
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Ever heard of imagination it's where this game draws its logic from
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Have you ever thought, it's a -blam!-ing video game?
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Despite all your observations you never notice that there wasnt any actuall bullets in these clips, mags etc? They are more like energy packs and the gun just shoots dense particle clusters or there is some energy to mass conversion.
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So in a world of space magic, weapons can't work in ways you can't understand?
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Hawkmoon looks realistic to me.
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[quote]Me Eat You Guts May 25 at 10:26:10 AM Permalink You're playing a game where dead people, robots, and zombie elves use ballistic weapons and space magic to kill various groups of aliens because a giant, half dead ping-pong ball told them to. [/quote] Plus, even Hollywood (most peoples reference to "reality") does not get it right either; ie, bottomless ammo clips, grenades that can blow up an entire building (flames included), never having to aim. As with Hollywood, to show reality would make it boring
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Meh. I have always believed that the "Laws of Physics" are more of a suggestion. But seriously, I get & see what you mean, but as many have said it is a video game, it isnt supposed to be taken seriously.
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Hey buddy, I stopped reading after the Hand Cannon section.... There are a couple of revolvers that have a 6 oclock position of the barrell on the cylinder... Some are actually pretty sick designs... Rhino: https://www.google.com/search?q=Chiappa+Rhino&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ogJlVZmII4vQsAWloYC4Bw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1341&bih=749 Mateba: https://www.google.com/search?q=Chiappa+Rhino&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ogJlVZmII4vQsAWloYC4Bw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1341&bih=749#tbm=isch&q=mateba+model+6+unica+engraved
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Google the rhino 357. Please just look at the real working gun.
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It is a fantasy video game... It can be designed how ever and still work.
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I appreciate this post.
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There's no such thing as a REAL hand cannon. Hand cannon is a made up term.
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Edited by Lethal Vanguard: 5/27/2015 12:04:30 AMWhile you are right about the hand cannons and scout rifles, both of which are things that have bothered me as well, I disagree with you on the machine gun part. Most machine guns feed the belt above the chamber, and consequently the barrel, because the bolt needs room to slide back ejecting the last cartridge at which point the next round drops down into the action and gets chambered as the bolt slams forward. [url=http://m.military.com/pics/PMrangerside6.jpg]M240B machine gun[/url]
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OMG a video game in which we are in space and have super abilities isn't real. Please everyone stop playing this fake game lol
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While I feel ya, its a game. And look at it like I do, if it helps... the weapons are designed in the future to look cosmetically familiar to the wielder but do not function the same way. "Space magic" is a shitty excuse, for sure, but really does apply when all weapons utilize one of three magic glowing boxes found on the ground, and apparently all weapons of the same class fire the same caliber and sound relatively the same. I mean... if your gonna harsh on the design, gotta look at the absurdity of the rest.
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Dude these are space weapons from the distant future get a grip
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[b][i]who the -blam!- cares[/i][/b]
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Is Rob McLees still designing the weapons? He's like Rain Man with this stuff.. so it's surprising if he's at the helm of things. The points you raise are certainly unarguable. http://www.halopedia.org/Robert_McLees
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Edited by Dreamzz: 5/26/2015 11:54:29 PMITS A VIDEO GAME A "space" video game at that
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Ya the way the weaps are designed has bugged me from the beginning... Glad I'm not the only one lol
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1. Most bottom chamber revolvers have a hammer that sits near the top chamber. 2. Many real LMGs feed above the barrel and then down into it. M240 for example. So....no?
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You do realize that Bungie makes video games not guns right. I don't think there are too many people who truly know how a gun should look and fire who work at Bungie
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It's called make believe or fiction you're not suppose to take it seriously
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Sci-fi?