Well its hard for some people to get a team of six that is capable if doing a raid. For me it was so i played pvp a lot. I did my first raid in october or november. So what was i suppossed to do. You can play pvp alone even ironbanner. They are doing people qho cant get a group a favor with pvp and thats why all the pve players wizh good teams complain. They never needed to play pvp.