Video games are meant to be challenging enemy's are meant to shot you back, if they don't it's broken game mechanics, bungie are well in there right to patch game mechanics if they think there broken and they have which they want people to play there game correctly and be rewarded for the effort they expended not glitch cheese or use cheap tactics to speed to rewards screens

AAAAH! THE NO PUNCTUATION, IT BURNS!

Haha I was typing with wet hands after the first line I gave up on punctuation

Wet hands? What were YOU doing? O.o

Haha nothing sinister, I swear :P. I'm a chef so I'm constantly washing my hands.I'm usually on the forums when I'm at work and it's a slow day and I can't seam to get my hands dry enough to use my phone properly, my auto correct is always going crazy as well

You are again stating your... OPINION. Yes it is Bungie's IP, but it doesn't mean that the practices they are doing are right, or are historically in line with what 99.9% of all developers have done before.

Yes my opinion and I'll happily use it to call your opinion ridiculous just because you've played old games where good mechanics where hard to implement, it's bungie a game they don't have to follow any rules or make shit 1990 style games because people want to shoot things without being shot at, if that's what you need to do for your ego or whatever go snipe thrall from a mile away in patrol just don't complain your not being rewarded for your skill less playstyle Name a game that's designed to be played in the way you mean ?

You just went WAY off tangent. The discussion here is whether or not exploits/cheats, etc. are legitimate, or that Bungie is right in "sanitizing" their game of said exploits. EVERY game is therefore susceptible to this debate whether it is Destiny, Super Mario Bros., or for ANY and all consoles throughout time. Halo is a PERFECT example of exploits that players ran WILD with. It created a Youtube sensation for Halo: CE and others after it, and made Halo MORE popular than it ever would have been without the exploits, tricks, out of map glitches, and SO much more. You have NO experience to speak of obviously, yet somehow you think that YOUR opinions and what you believe and know about video games is FAR superior to someone like myself, or anyone else for that matter that has more knowledge about and the history of Console video games. That is called arrogance and grand delusion. Here is a news flash. Facts MATTER. Experience MATTERS. Knowledge MATTERS. History MATTERS. You bring NONE of those things to the table. And by the way, while it is technically Bungie's game, GOOD developers and artists see their work as the CONSUMERS at least in experience, impression and passion. And lastly, games of the 90's as you state weren't broken UNLIKE Destiny. They were done RIGHT the first time (at least in the case of 95%), because the developers knew they couldn't just FIX their mistakes on launch day with a patch, or sometime afterward. They actually CARED what kind of games they put out and did it right the first time. The fact that games were exploited then, or now is just a testament to gamers love for... GAMES. That's something you need to learn and something you need to understand. But most likely, you never will because you think you... KNOW IT ALL!!! when you know nothing really.

Read your first paragraph, now the third.you keep contradicting your self

Poor deflection for what you already sense in your heart and mind. I'm right. And why wouldn't I be, if you believe what I've stated in regards to my experience pertaining to Console Video Games? Look, just enjoy Destiny, and Console Video Games overall, learn more and more about the hobby you love, and just state what you know and don't assume things that you don't know. Having a strong opinion on something based in facts is about as worthless as the crap you just took. Have a great day and I hope that this debate of ours pushed you to learn more about your chosen hobby in the future where you'll be armed with more knowledge.

You talk about your experience playing games so you should understand that no developer would intentionally allow people to shot at enemy's without a form of challenge/skill shooting enemy's from a mile away without them shooting back requires neither if it was pvp and you where shooting people that couldn't shoot back it'd be called a glitch, you're doing the same to AI's

if you dont mind please list which 183 consoles you have. never realized there were that many.

Keep in mind that some of my consoles are duplicates of others, such as SNES and SNES model 2, etc. However, here is a list of all Core Consoles and about 99% of niche consoles as well as another list after it of Pong Clones. I do not have every Pong Clone ever made simply because I don't have the space (yet)... In any case, Pong Clones do mostly the same exact thing. They are also worth very little besides a few of them. This list is one of the most extensive you can find for NTSC consoles. I also have every Handheld ever released in the US and count those in my number of consoles. 1) Magnavox Odyssey Yes 2) Magnavox Odyssey 100 Yes 3) Magnavox Odyssey 200 No 4) Magnavox Odyssey 300 Yes 5) Magnavox Odyssey 400 No 6) Magnavox Odyssey 500 No 7) Magnavox Wonder Wizard Yes 8) Magnavox 2000 No 9) Magnavox 3000 Yes 10) Magnavox 4000 No 11) Telegames Pong/Atari Pong Yes/No 12) Super Pong/Telegames Super Pong Yes/No 13) Pong Doubles No 14) Atari Super Pong Ten No 15) Atari Super Pong Pro Am No 16) Atari Super Pro Am Ten No 17) Atari Ultra Pong No 18) Atari Ultra Pong Doubles No 19) Sears Pong II No 20) Sears Pong IV No 21) Sears Pong Sports II No 22) Tele Games Pong Sports IV Yes 23) Sears Super Pong IV No 24) Sears Hockey Pong No 25) Sears Hockey Tennis II No 26) Sears Hockey Tennis III No 27) Atari Stunt Cycle No 28) Atari Video Pinball Yes 29) Sears Speedway IV No 30) Sears Pinball Breakaway No 31) Sears Indy 500 No 32) Coleco Telstar Classic Yes 33) Telstar Regent Yes 34) Telstar Alpha Yes 35) Telstar Combat No 36) Telstar Ranger Yes 37) Telstar Sportsman No 38) Telstar Marksman No 39) Telstar Arcade Yes 40) Telstar Colormatic No 41) Telstar Gemini No 42) Telstar Deluxe No 43) Telstar Galaxy No 44) Telstar Colortron Yes 45) Diasonic Yes 46) Radio Shack TV Scoreboard Yes 47) Bentley Compuvision No 48) APF TV Fun 401 No 49) APF TV Fun 401a No 50) APF TV Fun 402 No 51) APF TV Fun 405 Yes 52) APF TV Fun 406 No 53) APF TV Fun 442 No 54) APF TV Fun 444 Yes 55) APF TV Fun 500 No 56) APF TV Fun Sportsarama No 57) Sportsman T101 No 58) Tournament 100 No 59) Tournament 102 No 60) Tournament 150 No 61) Tournament 200 No 62) Tournament 1000 No 63) Tournament 2000 No 64) Tournament 2501 No 65) Olympian 2600 No 66) Colorsport VIII No 67) APF M1000 No 68) Fairchild Channel F Yes 69) RCA Studio II Yes 70) Atari 2600 Yes 71) Sears Tele-games 2600 Yes 72) Sears Video Arcade II/Atari 2800 Yes 73) Entex Adventure Vision No 74) Action Max Yes 75) Bally Arcade (Astrocade) Yes 76) Magnavox Odyssey 2 Yes 77) Fairchild 2 Yes 78) Intellivision Yes 79) Vectrex Yes 80) Arcadia 2001 Yes 81) Colecovision Yes 82) Atari 5200 Yes 83) Intellivision 2 Yes 84) Intellivision 3 Yes 85) NES Yes 86) Atari 7800 Yes 87) Sega Master System Yes 88) Tiger R Zone Yes 89) Atari 2600 jr. Yes 90) Coleco Gemini Yes 91) Turbo Grafx 16 Yes 92) Turbo CD Yes 93) Turbo Duo Yes 94) Sega Genesis Yes 95) Sega Genesis 2 Yes 96) Sega Genesis 3 Yes 97) NES (redesigned) Yes 98) Sega CD (version 1) Yes 99) Sega CD (version 2) Yes 100) Sega 32X Yes 101) Sega Master System II Yes 102) Neo Geo Yes 103) Neo Geo CD Yes 104) Sega CDX No 105) Super NES Yes 106) Super NES (redesigned) Yes 107) Phillips Cd-i Yes 108) 3DO Yes 109) Atari Jaguar Yes 110) Atari Jaguar CD Yes 111) Sega Pico No 112) Pioneer Laseractive No 113) Halcyon No 114) XaviXport Yes 115) Sega Saturn Yes 116) Playstation Yes 117) PSone Yes 118) N64 Yes 119) Sega Dreamcast Yes 120) Nuon Yes 121) Game Wave Yes 122) PS2 Yes 123) PS2 Slim Yes 124) XBOX Yes 125) Gamecube Yes 126) Hyperscan Yes 127) VSmile Yes 128) Leap Frog Yes 129) XBOX 360 (several versions) Yes 130) Wii Yes 131) PS3 Yes 132) PS3 Slim No 133) Wii U Yes 134) PS4 Yes 135) XBOX One Yes 1) Name of the Game Allied's 1976 2) Name of the Game II Allied's 1976 3) APF Match 405 APF 1977 4) APF TV Fun 401 APF 1976 5) APF TV Fun 401A APF 1977 6) APF TV Fun 402 APF 1977 7) APF Sportsarama APF 1977 8) APF TV Fun 405 APF 1977 9) APF TV Fun 405A APF 1977 10) APF TV Fun 406F APF 1977 11) APF TV Fun 442 APF 1977 12) APF TV Fun 444 APF 1977 13) APF TV Fun 500 APF 1977 14) Atari Pong Atari 1975 15) Atari Super Pong Atari 1976 16) Atari Super Pong Pro-AM Atari 1977 17) Atari Super Pong Pro-AM TEN Atari 1977 18) Atari Super Pong Ten Atari 1976 19) Atari Ultra Pong Atari 1977 20) Atari Ultra Pong Doubles Atari 1977 21) Bentley Compu-Vision Bentley 1983 22) Coleco Telstar Coleco 1976 23) Coleco Telstar Alpha Coleco 1977 24) Coleco Telstar Alpha Europa Coleco 1977 25) Coleco Telstar Classic Coleco 1976 26) Coleco Telstar Colormatic Coleco 1977 27) Coleco Telstar Colortron Coleco 1978 28) Coleco Telstar Deluxe Coleco 1977 29) Coleco Telstar Galaxy Coleco 1977 30) Coleco Telstar Gemini Coleco 1977 31) Coleco Telstar Marksman Coleco 1978 32) Coleco Telstar Ranger Coleco 1977 33) Coleco Telstar Regent Coleco 1977 34) Coleco Telstar Sportsman Coleco 1978 35) Spectrum 6 Concept 2000 1977 36) TV +4 Concept 2000 1977 37) Marume 2000 Dayya Corp. 1977 38) Diansonic 1977 39) TV Game Digitek 1977 40) Tele Action DMS 1983 41) 4 Electronic TV Sports Games E&P 1977 42) Pro Sports Electronic Colour TV 1001 Electrophonic 1977 43) Color Home Video Game 2001 Enterprex 1977 44) Color Home Video Game 2004 Enterprex 1977 45) Tele-Pong Entex 1976 46) Television Tennnis Executive Games 1976 47) Face Off Executive Games 1976 48) Face Off (model 2?) Executive Games 1976 49) Tele Sports First Dimension 1976 50) Gemini 1976 51) Wonder Wizard 7702 GHP 1976 52) Wonder Wizard 7705 GHP 1976 53) Wonder Wizard 7706 GHP 1976 54) Video Olympiad Golorytone 1976 55) Color Sport VIII Granada 1978 56) Video Sports Granada 1976 57) Triple Challenge Gulliver 1977 58) TV Scoreboard 888 Hanimex 1977 59) TV Scoreboard 888G Hanimex 1977 60) TV Scoreboard 8610 Hanimex 1977 61) Mini Color TV Game Harvard 1978 62) Heath Kit 1330 Heathkit 1976 63) Heath Kit 1999 Heathkit 1976 64) S Four Thousand K-Mart 1977 65) SC Eight Thousand K-Mart 1977 66) TV Sports 801 Lloyd's 1976 67) TV Sports 802 Lloyd's 1976 68) TV Sports 813 Lloyd's 1976 69) Magnavox Odyssey Magnavox 1972 70) Odyssey 100 Magnavox 1975 71) Odyssey 200 Magnavox 1975 72) Odyssey 300 Magnavox 1976 73) Odyssey 400 Magnavox 1976 74) Odyssey 500 Magnavox 1976 75) Odyssey 2000 Magnavox 1977 76) Odyssey 3000 Magnavox 1977 77) Odyssey 4000 Magnavox 1977 78) TV Game Mecca 1976 79) Telstar Video World of Sports Montgomery Ward 1976 80) Adversary National Semiconductor 1976 81) Gamatic 7706 Olympus Electronics 1978 82) TV Scoreboard 3051 Radio Shack 1976 83) TV Scoreboard 3052 Radio Shack 1976 84) TV Scoreboard 3055 Radio Shack 1977 85) TV Scoreboard 3056 Radio Shack 1977 86) TV Scoreboard 3057 Radio Shack 1977 87) TV Scoreboard 3060 Radio Shack 1977 88) TV Scoreboard 3061 Radio Shack 1977 89) Radiola 1977 90) Colour TV Game Radofin 1981 91) Electronic TV Game Radofin 1977 92) Tele-Sports Radofin 1977 93) SC Eight Thousand Radofin 1977 94) Color TV Game Ricochet 1976 95) Super Pro Ricochet 1977 96) Formula 500 Ricochet 1976 97) Ricochet 8 Ricochet 1977 98) Gamatic 7700 Ridgewood 1976 99) Paddle IV Roberts 1976 100) Rally IV Roberts 1977 101) Rally X Roberts 1977 102) Sportsrama 8 Roberts 1977 103) Color TV Game Sands 1978 104) Home TV Game Santron 1977 105) Pong Hockey Tennis Sears 1976 106) Hockey Tennis Sears 1976 107) Hockey Tennis II Sears 1977 108) Hockey Tennis III Sears 1977 109) Pong Sears 1975 110) Pong IV Sears 1976 111) Pong Sports II Sears 1977 112) Pong Sports IV Sears 1977 113) T.V. Game Sinoca 1978 114) Videosport 2 Syrelec 1977 115) Video Sport 600 TCR 1977 116) Video Sport 7705 TCR 1978 117) Video Sport 7801 TCR 1978 118) TEC 1978 119) Tele Match 8800 Tele Match 1976 120) Tele Match 4400 Tele Match 1976 121) Tele Match 7700 Tele Match 1976 122) Tele-Match Television Computer Game 1977 123) Olympian 2600 Unisonic 1977 124) Sportsman Unisonic 1976 125) Tournament T101 Unisonic 1976 126) Tournament 100 Unisonic 1976 127) Tournament 102 Unisonic 1976 128) Tournament 150 Unisonic 1976 129) Tournament 1000 Unisonic 1977 130) Tournament 200 Unisonic 1976 131) Tournament 2000 Unisonic 1977 132) Tournament 2501 Unisonic 1977 133) Video Action Universal Research 1975 134) Video Action 3 Universal Research 1976 135) Video Sports VS-1 Venture Electronics 1976 136) Video Sports VS-5 Venture Electronics 1977 137) Video Sports VS-7 Venture Electronics 1977 138) TV Game Windsor 1976 139) Video Game Windtronics 1977

impressive. hopefully some are NIB. $$$

[quote] I have played and finished over 4,000 games, own 5,560 games and 183 consoles, and have been intricately involved in Video Games since Atari Pong. [/quote] All these games and yet you still care enough to get in a petty fight on the Destiny forum. Seems fishy.